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Оффлайн Шевченко Николай Борисович

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Can anybody please suggest me about formation of kerogen and asphalt and the origin of both . fossil fuel or not ??? This will be a great help for me . Thanks in advance .

http://oilgasjournal.ru/vol_10/belenitskaya.html
Belenitskaya G.A.
BLACK SHALES AS DERIVATIVES OF NAPHTHIDE DISCHARGES. SOME PROBLEMS OF SHALE HYDROCARBONS
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The author of the paper develops the “naphthogenic model”, treating high-carbon complexes as a result of ancient large-scale hydrocarbon leaks in sedimentary basins. The naphthogenic sediments are considered as modern homologues of black shales. The “naphthogenic model” seems to help in search of unconventional oil-and-gas resources.

Keywords: black shales, natural naphthide leaks, accidental oil outflows, ecological accident, algae-cyanic-bacterial biocoenosis, naphthosedimentogenesis, unconventional oil- and- gas resources.

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Can anybody please suggest me about formation of kerogen and asphalt and the origin of both . fossil fuel or not ??? This will be a great help for me . Thanks in advance .

http://oilgasjournal.ru/vol_10/belenitskaya.html
Belenitskaya G.A.
BLACK SHALES AS DERIVATIVES OF NAPHTHIDE DISCHARGES. SOME PROBLEMS OF SHALE HYDROCARBONS
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Abstract

The author of the paper develops the “naphthogenic model”, treating high-carbon complexes as a result of ancient large-scale hydrocarbon leaks in sedimentary basins. The naphthogenic sediments are considered as modern homologues of black shales. The “naphthogenic model” seems to help in search of unconventional oil-and-gas resources.

Keywords: black shales, natural naphthide leaks, accidental oil outflows, ecological accident, algae-cyanic-bacterial biocoenosis, naphthosedimentogenesis, unconventional oil- and- gas resources.

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thanks , but the original paper is not in English . my language problem . but the points is both are fossil fuel or not ?? because according to the fossil fuel theory both must be fossil fuel only . please help me to understand this story .

Оффлайн Шевченко Николай Борисович

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Volzuytes Google - interpreter. Understand possible.
There is such a site, a lot of useful information.

http://www.gasresources.net/toc_StatMech.htm
The Statistical Thermodynamics of Petroleum Science

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In my opinion all we followers of abiotic theory should give serious intention toward formation and origin of kerogen and asphalt . Earlier i have done a very long discussion at AAPG and asked this question about the biotic origin of kerogen and asphalt . Nobody has given me satisfactory reply and I understand this is the weakest part of the fossil fuel theory .  Nobody has shown me any scientific paper that can prove the biogenic origin of kerogen and asphalt . this is just their assumption that both are fossil fuel and current fossil fuel theory starts after this portion but first part is this theory is  "EMPTY" So current fossil fuel theory has no legs and standing in the air without legs .
   Some people has suggested me just a definition of kerogen and some has shown me just a wikipedia only and both are very much doubtful about the biotic origin of kerogen . both do not scientifically prove the biotic origin of kerogen and this portion is very much EMPTY .

Оффлайн Тимурзиев Ахмет Иссакович

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You wrote at forum:

Can anybody please suggest me about formation of kerogen and asphalt and the origin of both . fossil fuel or not This will be a great help for me . Thanks in advance .

Pleasure:

1.Кудрявцев Н.А. К вопросу о генезисе нефти (несколько вопросов лидерам теории "микронефти" и "sourse rocks"). Электронный журнал "Глубинная нефть". Том 1. №2. 2013. c. 246-257. URL: http://journal.deepoil.ru/images/stories/docs/DO-1-2-2013/8_Kudryavtsev_1-2-2013.pdf.

2. Порфирьев В.Б. Природа нефти, газа и ископаемых углей. Глава 1. Электронный журнал "Глубинная нефть". Том 1. №7. 2013. c. 2021-1030.
URL: http://journal.deepoil.ru/images/stories/docs/DO-1-7-2013/10_Porfiriev_Book_Part-1_1-7-2013.pdf.

3. Гринберг И.В. Химическая природа и коренные генетические отличия керогенно-угольных и нефтяных битумов. Электронный журнал "Глубинная нефть". Том 1. №10. 2013. c. 1600-1609.
URL: http://journal.deepoil.ru/images/stories/docs/DO-1-10-2013/11_Grinberg_1-10-2013.pdf.

4. Порфирьев В.Б., Гринберг И.В. Современное состояние теории органического происхождения нефти. Электронный журнал "Глубинная нефть". Том 2. №6. 2014. c. 985-1011.
URL: http://journal.deepoil.ru/images/stories/docs/DO-2-6-2014/9_Porfiriev-Grinberg_2-6-2014.pdf.

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Dear Mr. Timurziyev Ahmet,
     Thanks for helping me and sending some papers . These papers are in Russian language and unfortunately I do not understand this language . can you please send me very brief reply of my question .
 1) How kerogen and asphalt has been formed ??
 2) origin of both ?? biotic or abiotic
 3) any role of both to form Global commercial hydrocarbons ??
   Thanks in advance and cheers


Оффлайн Тимурзиев Ахмет Иссакович

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Dear Mr. Suresh Bansal, my English isn't as good to discuss these professional questions with you, excuse me.
May be my colleges will help you, I hope.
Нефть рождается дважды: в недрах Земли и в голове Геолога...
Oil borns twice: in the depth of the Earth and in the head of the Geologist...

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Dear Mr. Suresh Bansal, my English isn't as good to discuss these professional questions with you, excuse me.
May be my colleges will help you, I hope.
Thanks for cooperation and I am also strong followers of abiotic theory and want to understand the RU theory in details . I understand all we can do much much better to quiet the followers of biotic theory in the labs . I understand it is not a difficult work to defeat them in labs with strong scientific evidences . I also have many ideas in my mind but first i want to understand RU theory in details .
  http://www.principia-scientific.org/the-true-origin-of-hydrocarbons.html

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Ok, my dear friends ,if I amend my balanced hypothesis further like below than what are your views .
 
" some qty of abiotic hydrocarbons from deep origin / mantle oil/ abiotic hydrocarbons or which ever .... has been seeped up on the surface of the earth in the past history  and remaining hydrocarbon bearing sludge ( heavy molecular in weight,sticky and waxy) has been reburied along with dead life to form productive sedimentary source rocks and these abiotic hydrocarbons has obtained some biotic characteristics in the burial history with deceased biological matter  .  sedimentary source rocks that has been formed without these abiotic hydrocarbons are not suitable to form the commercial interesting oils and leads us to dry holes . so abiotic sources are the major contributor even in the Global commercial oils also .  " Need your comments

19.04.2015г. Салль Сергей Альбертович: нефть образуется в результате холодного ядерного синтеза



https://youtu.be/QP2-8fy6bos - часть 1
https://youtu.be/0F2_ZyNcxek - часть 2

14.05.2015г. Подтверждение механизма фотосинтеза по В.А.Ацюковскому: под действием красного света О16 воды превращается в С12 древесины

   
 
Шафеев Георгий Айратович (справа) Институт общей физики им.А.М.Прохорова

Цитата http://www.mk.ru/science/2015/05/14/i-na-urane-budut-yabloni-cvesti.html
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Оффлайн Suresh Bansal (India)

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Seems Nice Video ,unfortunately I have language problem .
2) I am almost sure that we can scientifically prove in labs that productive sedimentary source rocks has been formed with abiotic hydrocarbons otherwise dry holes only .

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Hello Mr. Suresh Bansal.
Who I am on vacation, so limited time to communicate on the Internet.
For a successful experiment, you need to create the necessary and sufficient conditions. While it is not.
 
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Оффлайн Suresh Bansal (India)

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Perhaps another ideas can work to crush the fossil fuel theory fable .